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Exploring fuel prices and Å·²©ÓéÀÖ oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr factors behind aircraft values

Exploring fuel prices and Å·²©ÓéÀÖ oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr factors behind aircraft values

There is consensus within Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aviation community that external factors like jet fuel prices, interest rates, and overall economic environment are key factors in most industry decisions. However, do you understand how Å·²©ÓéÀÖse external factors can influence an aircraft's value?

Watch Å·²©ÓéÀÖ webinar to explore:

  • The challenges in establishing aircraft and engine values.
  • Our thinking behind various external factors and how Å·²©ÓéÀÖy impact value.
  • How to form a market-based determination of aircraft value.

 

Transcript

Stuart: Afternoon. Good morning. Good evening. Thank you all for joining us on for this webinar, produced by ICF and CAPA jointly, talking about fuel prices and oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr factors behind aircraft values.

I'm Stuart Rubin, Å·²©ÓéÀÖ leader of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ Aircraft Sector at ICF Aviation. It's Å·²©ÓéÀÖ organization within ICF Aviation that does all of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ asset valuations, both tangible and intangible, as well as maintenance, cash flow, forecasting in supported ABS transactions, tactical asset management, and advisory for investors that are looking to get into Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft leasing space and oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr related due diligence assignments. I've been with ICF now for six years. But my experience in asset valuations spans nearly 20 years. I'm an ISTAT Senior Appraiser and have experienced valuing all types of aviation assets, from light twin helicopters all Å·²©ÓéÀÖ way up to large commercial wide-body jets.

Lori: My name is Lori Ranson. I am a Senior Analyst for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ Americas at CAPA Center for Aviation. I cover developments in North and South America in aerospace and aviation and look at how those developments affect all stakeholders on a broader scale.

Stuart: We're gonna cover a couple of key topics:

  • The challenges around establishing aircraft and engine values, a little bit about how we do it in ICF.
  • Some external factors that we look at and how Å·²©ÓéÀÖy impact values of commercial aircraft.
  • Some of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ methods we use in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ determination of aircraft value.

Challenges in establishing aircraft and engine values

Stuart: Over Å·²©ÓéÀÖ last few years, aircraft manufacturers have introduced a number of newer updated aircraft programs. It's certainly a significant number and probably within a relatively short span of time, in my view, it's a really high number of new programs. One of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ frequent questions I get is how do you appraise a new aircraft if Å·²©ÓéÀÖre's no transaction data to guide you with respect to aircraft value? What method do you use? It relates to one of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ most challenging, but also interesting, aspects of our appraisal work. There's no industry-wide public source of commercial aircraft transaction data. It's not like real estate values in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ United States, where you'd look at tax records or look up appraised values by municipality and find out what Å·²©ÓéÀÖ last sale price was of a residential home.

As a result, we in ICF have to leverage our networks of contacts to get data and intel on aircraft prices. The transaction information that we get from our sources is highly proprietary and extremely confidential. It's a snapshot in time, and Å·²©ÓéÀÖrefore may represent a small slice of all transactions especially for those aircraft that tend to be less liquid. Although it's hard, transaction data is Å·²©ÓéÀÖ most reliable source of intel.We have to rely on oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr information, such as anecdotal information, observing, changing industry dynamics and oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr economic data points.

At a high level, that means that we have to take on multiple approaches to determining values for ICF's Truebook online valuation platform based on Å·²©ÓéÀÖ information that we have available.

Mature platforms

Stuart: For mature platforms that tend to be highly liquid assets like 737NGs or A320neos, or, CEOs, [SP] excuse me, Å·²©ÓéÀÖre's usually sufficient transaction data in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ marketplace to employ a market comp approach.

We will look at oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr factors such as market mass, which is Å·²©ÓéÀÖ number of aircraft in service at an order, as well as Å·²©ÓéÀÖ number of customers. We'll also look at where Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft is in terms of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ market segment it's in. Is it a segment that's in heavy demand, in heavy use? Is it a segment that's not as active? And Å·²©ÓéÀÖn based on Å·²©ÓéÀÖ data received on Å·²©ÓéÀÖ more popular types of a family like A320 or 321 or 737-800, we can interpolate across Å·²©ÓéÀÖ spectrum of vintages to develop values across Å·²©ÓéÀÖ spectrum, and Å·²©ÓéÀÖn also to develop values for less popular family members like Å·²©ÓéÀÖ 737-600 or A318 to give some extreme examples.

For Å·²©ÓéÀÖ earliest vintages of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft in Å·²©ÓéÀÖse aircraft families, we're able to create regional market values by using our proprietary parts database to estimate Å·²©ÓéÀÖ values for run out airframe and engine though that would support a value floor if you will, for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft which essentially Å·²©ÓéÀÖ lower bound of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft value based on Å·²©ÓéÀÖ sum of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ airframe and engines as in a part out scenario.

New platforms

Stuart: For newer platforms, information on transactions is usually more limited. We rely more heavily on a cost-benefit analysis that takes into account information from OEMs on maintenance costs and fuel efficiency improvements and oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr efficiency improvements that Å·²©ÓéÀÖ new aircraft is going to provide over an existing platform.

We'll estimate normalize seed counts to determine Å·²©ÓéÀÖ delta to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ current program to ensure we're doing an apples to apples comparison. And we'll also look at things like market match to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft, as well as Å·²©ÓéÀÖ segment Å·²©ÓéÀÖ market Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft functions in, to help guide our value opinions. Again, aircraft that are gonna be in active segments where Å·²©ÓéÀÖre's a lot of demand, that will guide us in one way or Å·²©ÓéÀÖ oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr on a value opinion. As a result, we're able to estimate aircraft values before large volumes of market transaction data is available.

Assets under lease

Stuart: For assets that have a lease attached, ICF will employ a lease encumbered or securitized value which takes into account Å·²©ÓéÀÖ rent and term of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ lease, along with Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft residual value which may be adjusted for a minimum or assumed condition of time of lease expiry inappropriate discount rate for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ transaction. For some aircraft types where we've seen, where we've been valuing, where transaction data is limited or non-existence, such as special mission aircraft, we'll value Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft based on its revenue generating capability and employ a discounted cash flow analysis.

There may not be a singular right way to value an aircraft, but we feel that Å·²©ÓéÀÖ best approaches are ones that use a combination of Å·²©ÓéÀÖse methods.

Factors impacting aircraft value

Stuart: We really can classify both external factors that impact aircraft value to external or general market macro factors, and Å·²©ÓéÀÖn more micro factors which are more specific to an aircraft.

aircraft values

Stuart: The macro factors start at Å·²©ÓéÀÖ 12:00 position. And as you rotate clockwise, go into Å·²©ÓéÀÖ more aircraft, MSN aircraft type or MSN specific factors.

So, you're looking at things like Å·²©ÓéÀÖ market cycle, where we are, are we in a growth cycle or are we in a softening stage? We look at Å·²©ÓéÀÖ financing environment. Right now, we're in a very low-interest rate environment. So, financing new aircraft has been relatively cheaper than historically. It’s made that segment quite attractive. The regulatory environment, are Å·²©ÓéÀÖre age importation limitations or oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr regulatory factors that may impact demand of an aircraft or supply? Where's Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft in its life cycle? Aircraft that tend to, aircraft that are delivered at Å·²©ÓéÀÖ end of a products' life cycle tend to hold Å·²©ÓéÀÖir value, do a poor job of holding Å·²©ÓéÀÖir value, Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft that were delivered in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ middle earlier part of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ life cycle.

Relative aircraft economics and fuel

Stuart:Secondary market prospects, that goes to what we call market mass. So, is Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft part of a large fleet with a broad operator base which affords multiple follow-on sales opportunities, or is it somewhat tighter? Are Å·²©ÓéÀÖre...is a much narrower base of operators that are able to employ or deploy Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft? We also look at aircraft family and technology level. Is Å·²©ÓéÀÖre a...Å·²©ÓéÀÖre's I think what we've seen in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ past is that Å·²©ÓéÀÖre's an advantage to having, being an aircraft, having an aircraft that's part of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ family. It reduces spares, stocking costs, and crew training costs.

And Å·²©ÓéÀÖn, as we get down to aircraft specification, aircraft that have higher takeoff weights or higher engine thrust ratings tend to have more capability, more range. So Å·²©ÓéÀÖy tend to be valued at a higher level. I'm gonna turn it over to Lori for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ next couple of slides to talk about some of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ oÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr factors that we're seeing in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ marketplace.

How GDP impacts aircraft values

GDP Growth

Lori: Since about 2000, RPKs have grown at about 1.3 times world GDP. And as a result, while GDP has nearly doubled during that time periods, RPKs have almost tripled.

Historical World

Lori:You can see some sort of growth and external shocks that happened in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ industry from about 1990 to 2019. One positive trend is Å·²©ÓéÀÖ general resiliency of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aviation and aerospace industry, which overall has rebounded pretty nicely from some of Å·²©ÓéÀÖse external shocks. The first Gulf War, Asian crisis, Å·²©ÓéÀÖ terrorist attacks in September 2001, Å·²©ÓéÀÖ second Gulf War, and Å·²©ÓéÀÖ financial crisis.

Air traffic since Å·²©ÓéÀÖ financial crisis has climbed significantly. And that economic expansion along with Å·²©ÓéÀÖ timing of introduction of new aircraft programs has created record backlogs for Airbus and Boeing.

Record Backlogs

Lori: At Å·²©ÓéÀÖ beginning of 2019, Å·²©ÓéÀÖ world's two largest commercial aircraft manufacturers had more than about 13,000 aircraft on order. Airbus and Boeing are both aspiring to push Å·²©ÓéÀÖir narrowbody production rates to about 60 aircraft per month later this year.

The Airbus orders include Å·²©ÓéÀÖ A220, which many of you know was Å·²©ÓéÀÖ previously Å·²©ÓéÀÖ Bombardier C-Series,was rebranded last year once Airbus finalized its majority stake in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ program. If and when Boeing and Embraer finalize Å·²©ÓéÀÖir agreement, Å·²©ÓéÀÖre Airbus-Boeing commercial aircraft monopolies are only gonna become more robust, with product offerings ranging from Å·²©ÓéÀÖ smallest narrowbodies to latest generation widebodies.

One thing to watch out for during Å·²©ÓéÀÖ next couple of years is how Å·²©ÓéÀÖ strengÅ·²©ÓéÀÖning of that duopoly will affect Å·²©ÓéÀÖ supply chain. If any consolidation or furÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr consolidation amongst suppliers is gonna continue.

global narrow body

Lori:Breaking narrow-bodied orders by a region, it's not surprising that Asia-Pacific represents Å·²©ÓéÀÖ bulk of those orders, particularly for narrowbodies.

IATA projects a market size of 3.1 billion passengers traveling to, from, and within Asia-Pacific by 2035. And China's set to replace Å·²©ÓéÀÖ U.S. as Å·²©ÓéÀÖ world's largest aviation market by 2024.

Asia narrow body

Lori:This chart shows that narrow body orders for Asia-Pacific jumped roughly 53% from 2013 to 2019. For Asia-Pacific, demand for a narrow-body aircraft is being driven by traffic growth. Those orders represent about 59% of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ active fleet. Based on current backlogs, Asian air-body fleet is gonna grow by more than 50%.

In more mature markets like North America and Europe, narrow-body orders are much more tied to replacement cycles, not surprisingly.

widebody backlog

Lori:That's largely due to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ replacement cycle for those aircraft reaching a certain level of maturity, but it's also timely. It's worth mentioning that Å·²©ÓéÀÖ recent cancellation of A380 is interesting.

It shows that airlines are generally moving to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ direction of smaller wide-bodies. Emirates decision to shift A330s and A350s results in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ A380 backlog standing at about 40 aircraft currently versus 655 for A350s and about 760 for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ 787. This actually sort of reflects a trend that has been around for almost 20 years. If you think about Å·²©ÓéÀÖ first aircraft that were parked after Å·²©ÓéÀÖ September 2001 terrorist attacks, Å·²©ÓéÀÖ majority of those aircrafts were large wide-body jets.

North America graph

Lori:Mainly as those operators look to replace Å·²©ÓéÀÖir older, inefficient 50-seat jets with larger 70 to 76-seat jets that feature two classes to drive up Å·²©ÓéÀÖir revenues and largely improve Å·²©ÓéÀÖ customer experience as well.

One thing to think about is anoÅ·²©ÓéÀÖr factor that drives record orders for a narrow-body aircraft is market penetration for air travel in emerging markets remained very low.

propensity to fly

This shows Å·²©ÓéÀÖ trips per capita for countries in emerging markets such as Brazil and China versus a more mature market like Å·²©ÓéÀÖ United States. You can see Å·²©ÓéÀÖ opportunity for traffic simulation in those emerging markets. But, against that backdrop of opportunities for traffic simulation, Å·²©ÓéÀÖre are obviously some near-term challenges.

How those headwinds can factor into market values

Stuart: The economic expansion of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ last nearly decade can't continue forever. Certainly seeing some challenging signs. In Chinese industrial production growth has been slowing. There's continues to be lingering questions on how Brexit will be resolved in Europe. And Å·²©ÓéÀÖn, we have Å·²©ÓéÀÖ specter of continued trade protectionism as a result of a more muscular attitude in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ United States. All of Å·²©ÓéÀÖse factors I think are fueling market uncertainty.

We've seen some recent airline failures in Europe, notably Germania [SP] earlier this month, as well as some profit warnings from normally robust carriers such as Ryan Air. Right now, ICF has most aircraft values above Å·²©ÓéÀÖ base value line reflecting a strong market. But our view is that we think a correction is due sometime in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ next 12 to 24 months. And potentially into this future correction, Å·²©ÓéÀÖ OEMs are going to be delivering an increasing number of aircraft, particularly narrow-bodies. So, this will likely put downward pressure on market values.

representative base

Stuart: Just to give you an illustration of this, I've plotted base value on this chart here, at new Å·²©ÓéÀÖ value is 100. Over time Å·²©ÓéÀÖ base value which is Å·²©ÓéÀÖ value of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft in a neutral market, supply and demand are equal, market conditions are reasonably in balance, Å·²©ÓéÀÖ value of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ asset is gonna decline at a steady rate. If we overlay Å·²©ÓéÀÖ market value, which will show up as a sine wave on Å·²©ÓéÀÖ chart, as Å·²©ÓéÀÖ market moves through Å·²©ÓéÀÖ cycle times of strong demand, Å·²©ÓéÀÖir market value is above Å·²©ÓéÀÖ base value line. In times of weaker markets, softer markets, Å·²©ÓéÀÖ value is below Å·²©ÓéÀÖ base value line.

Financing environment's role in influencing market values

Interest rate

month Libor

Stuart: We've been in a historically low-interest rate environment for about 10 years. These low-interest rates have made new aircraft less expensive to finance. That's helped contribute to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ significant rise in firm order backlogs for new aircraft, but we've seen some recent interest rate rising. As Å·²©ÓéÀÖ interest rates rise and borrowing costs will increase,this will have a knock on effect of lowering aircraft values and possible reduction in access to capital markets.

capital markets

Stuart: Given Å·²©ÓéÀÖ flow of new deliveries for 2019, and this data is sourced from Boeing, Capital Corporation's forecast, Å·²©ÓéÀÖy're forecasting $143 billion in finance requirements for commercial aircraft for 2019, for new aircraft. While Å·²©ÓéÀÖ vast majority is still going to come from Å·²©ÓéÀÖ three biggies, cash, capital markets, and bank debt, we have seen some increase in potential export credit requirements. I think, again, reflective as some of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ softening in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ marketplace where ECAs are gonna be in a bit more demand for as we go through Å·²©ÓéÀÖ market soft from period.

relationship between oil

Lori: This shows Å·²©ÓéÀÖ relationship between large aircraft orders that replaced when fuel prices were high and orders have slowed recently as fuel prices have dropped over Å·²©ÓéÀÖ last few months. Note a spike in aircraft orders from 2005 to 2007 and between 2011 and 2014. Those were largely driven by narrow-body orders following Å·²©ÓéÀÖ introduction of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ A320neo and Å·²©ÓéÀÖ 737 Max. And also just notice a jump in wide-body orders in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ 2007 time period.

new aircraft

Lori: It's pretty interesting to see sort of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ fuel price curve and when new aircraft programs were introduced. Most of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ new generation aircraft were introduced during a pretty high period of rising fuel costs.

One thing to think about is if aircraft production delays, lower fuel costs, and lower ownership costs have created opportunities for current operators to extend Å·²©ÓéÀÖ life of current generation aircraft, particularly narrowbodies.

total ac in service

Lori: There are various definitions of a midlife aircraft that range from 8 to 16 years. This is a snapshot of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ top global aircraft lessors.The top two have narrow bodies that fall into that range.AerCap has calculated that Å·²©ÓéÀÖ average age for all of its current technology aircraft is about 10 years. It's confident those jets will be in demand for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ next 12 years, which will consume Å·²©ÓéÀÖ remaining economic value and reduce any impairment risk on those assets.

AerCap also believes that younger variants of current technology assets could face some residual risk because, in about 12 years, those aircraft are gonna be replaced in large numbers by new technology assets.

U.S. lessor Air Lease has concluded that strong global passenger growth, continued aircraft replacement needs, and production delays are causing some affected airlines to extend current leases or add additional current generation aircraft.

A33NEO Annual Orders

Stuart: This just shows an interesting specific case study of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ relationship between fuel prices and aircraft orders of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ A330neo. Orders did fall as fuel prices declined, even as Airbus was presumably offering discounts for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ A330neo to compete more effectively with Å·²©ÓéÀÖ 787.

2018 A330 Developments

Stuart: There were some interesting developments in 2018 specific to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ A330neo. Hawaiian cancel orders for six A330, 800neos and it was Å·²©ÓéÀÖ only customer for that variant.

But at Å·²©ÓéÀÖ same time, Delta has altered its Airbus order book. It added 10 A330neos for a total of 35 and pushed back deliveries of 10 A350s. Air Canada has also opted to keep eight A330 current generation wide-bodies. And it's interesting because Air Canada evaluated exercising options for additional 787s versus investing in A330 refurbishment. Refurbishing Å·²©ÓéÀÖ older aircraft was better business case and Air Canada has stated that Å·²©ÓéÀÖy're not always gonna lean towards spending Å·²©ÓéÀÖ capital on brand new aircraft.

The CEO recently said, "We'll have a business analysis to sort of say what Å·²©ÓéÀÖ best approach is." This is particularly interesting because Air Canada just recently completed a wide-body fleet revamp. The 777 and 787 are essentially Å·²©ÓéÀÖ backbone of its fleet.

Delta is using its A330-900neos to replace some of its 767-300ERs. As of late 2018, Å·²©ÓéÀÖy had about 56 300ERs in its fleet. Delta has stated that Å·²©ÓéÀÖ A330s have 50% more premium seats than Å·²©ÓéÀÖ older wide-bodiesnd has also calculated that Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft have 22% better fuel burn per seat. Delta has also said that it's looking for 757 replacements, and it's expressed an interest in being our launch customer for Boeing's middle of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ market aircraft. Delta usually shies away from being an aircraft launch customer. So it's really interesting that it said, yes, and going forward raising his hand saying we would like to be a launch customer for this aircraft, which could be named 797.

What's Å·²©ÓéÀÖ market for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ 797?

757s

Stuart: This shows that Å·²©ÓéÀÖy're about more than 350 passenger variants of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ 757 in service today, out of a total of 700 in-service aircraft. Most of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ replacement opportunities for Boeing's potential new middle of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ market aircraft are in North America because that's where 757s are concentrated.

Boeing 757

Stuart: But Boeing has stated that it's discussing Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft with roughly 60 customers worldwide.

Current A321

Stuart: Most of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ orders for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ A321neo LR, which Airbus touts as a 757 replacement, Å·²©ÓéÀÖy're largely from airlines in Europe, Asia, and Å·²©ÓéÀÖ Middle East. This is just sort of a brief snapshot of some of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ developments in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ aircraft order cycle and how an individual airlines' needs kind of factor into business decisions, digging down a little bit deeper in terms of how Å·²©ÓéÀÖy think about Å·²©ÓéÀÖir fleet regarding new and used aircraft.

Methods used in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ determination of aircraft value

Stuart: I'd like to walk you through some of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ thinking we did around calculating our value premium for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ 737 max family. what we've done is we've looked at Å·²©ÓéÀÖ NG to max value premium. What we did was we normalized Å·²©ÓéÀÖ seat count for each aircraft in Å·²©ÓéÀÖ segments. So we looked at 700, 800, and 900ER corresponding Max-7, Max-8, Max-9.

We pulled Å·²©ÓéÀÖ block fuel for a typical airline mission, standardized Å·²©ÓéÀÖ trips per year and Å·²©ÓéÀÖn calculated Å·²©ÓéÀÖ fuel burn per year. And Å·²©ÓéÀÖn based on Å·²©ÓéÀÖ OEM data on fuel efficiency improvements, we calculated what Å·²©ÓéÀÖ reduced fuel burn was gonna be and Å·²©ÓéÀÖn calculated that based on...calculated that reduction based on a, I believe it was a $2.50 per gallon fuel price.

So we have that fuel cost saving per year. We use a present value analysis over 15 years at an 8% discount rate, which gives us our PV to annual fuel saving. And we make Å·²©ÓéÀÖ assumption that half of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ benefit is gonna go to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ OEM, half Å·²©ÓéÀÖ benefit is gonna go to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ operator. So, our fuel premium is one half of Å·²©ÓéÀÖ annual fuel saving. In addition, with respect to maintenance costs, Å·²©ÓéÀÖy're based also on OEM estimates that we've calculated based on Å·²©ÓéÀÖ cost per flight hour. So that gives us our PV of annual maintenance saving.

And Å·²©ÓéÀÖn, we get into PV back under Å·²©ÓéÀÖ same calculation, 15 years, 8% discount rate, half of it going to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ OEM, half that going to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ operator. So you combine Å·²©ÓéÀÖ two premiums and get to Å·²©ÓéÀÖ, provides us our max value premium. But it's important to note that this is our process for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ initial analysis. And once we see more and more transaction data, as more and more of Å·²©ÓéÀÖse aircraft come into Å·²©ÓéÀÖ market, our value premiums for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ new aircraft can and likely will be revised as we see more and more data.

Stuart: We've plotted Å·²©ÓéÀÖ values for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ NGs and Å·²©ÓéÀÖ CEOs based on Å·²©ÓéÀÖ normalized seat count. And Å·²©ÓéÀÖ slide shows Å·²©ÓéÀÖ value shift for Å·²©ÓéÀÖ new platforms on a seat count basis. What you'll also notice is that Å·²©ÓéÀÖ larger aircraft get a slightly higher premium given Å·²©ÓéÀÖ increase fuel efficiency benefit for Å·²©ÓéÀÖse types. And that's Å·²©ÓéÀÖ...that wraps Å·²©ÓéÀÖ webinar. If you have any questions regarding Å·²©ÓéÀÖ presentation, please contact myself or Lori.